Ford GT Sets VIR Lap Record

"Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)" (bman76-4) 01/31/2018 at 14:13 • Filed to: None

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Chevy: “Hold my beer”. The ZR1 beats the GT, is 1.37 seconds faster.

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promoted by the color red > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 14:21

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Great, now do it with a ZR1 ‘vert.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 14:23

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Holy Shit! Those Chevy’s are fast!

Motortrend described the Camaro as being in “a different league” on the track vs the Performance Pack Mustang.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2018/2018-chevrolet-camaro-ss-1le-vs-2018-ford-mustang-gt-performance-pack-comparison/

Dasupersprint - base trim is enough > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 14:24

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Unimpressed ZR1 is unimpressed

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 14:26

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Now if only their race cars could keep up this year, where it actually matters.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 01/31/2018 at 14:32

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That surprised me a lot tbh

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/31/2018 at 14:32

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Call me when the GT is champion... of anything.

BeaterGT > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/31/2018 at 14:32

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You really don’t think that was a BoP issue? Not to mention the Corvettes winning last year and taking pole this year?

I won’t get into GTP vs a GTLM...

LongbowMkII > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/31/2018 at 14:34

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Speak to the people who do GTLM balancing.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 14:36

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STUPID CHEVY DONCHA KNOW YOU NEED TO GO MID ENGINE TO GET ANY MORE PERFORMANCE FRONT ENGINE LAYOUT IS ALREADY MAXED OUT

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 01/31/2018 at 14:41

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Bespoke carbon chassis with prototype level aero

Vs

A hopped up small block with a giant wing tacked on

Blondude > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 01/31/2018 at 14:45

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*obligatory “The Corvette is already mid engine” comment*

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Blondude 01/31/2018 at 14:56

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Well, it is.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 14:56

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ECOBOOST WASN’T EVEN TRYING. THIS HAS PUSHRODS, ECOBOOST IS TOTALLY SUPERIOR HOW DARE YOU INSULT BASED GT WITH PLASTIC FANTASTIC.
/s

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 01/31/2018 at 14:59

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“Our plastic is better than your plastic!”

2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/31/2018 at 14:59

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Can you speak up, I can’t hear you over the noise of these sandbags I’m chucking

gettingoldercarguy > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 01/31/2018 at 15:02

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This reminds me of this guy on Motortrend who would insult the crap it off anybody who didn’t agree with him.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 01/31/2018 at 15:03

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GM chassis tuning has been on point lately.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 15:04

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Unless the time are on the same day, they are similar to time around the Ring. Fun but kinda useless. Track temps can make or break a lap.

gettingoldercarguy > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 01/31/2018 at 15:06

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I think performance pack 2 they mentioned will be a much better match.

Chariotoflove > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 15:10

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Tell me again why the Corvette needs to be mid-engined?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Future next gen S2000 owner 01/31/2018 at 15:12

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Their chassis tuning for anything vaguely performance oriented has been on point for quite a while, actually.

Would you believe me if I told you a 2006 Malibu Maxx had a very fun, confidence-inspiring chassis setup? The SS model definitely did.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Chariotoflove 01/31/2018 at 15:12

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REASONS

I really hope the mid engine car is badged a Cadillac

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 15:13

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*you’re plastic

do u even grammer bro

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Chariotoflove 01/31/2018 at 15:14

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Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 01/31/2018 at 15:14

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My car is plastic yes

Chariotoflove > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 15:17

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I’m also trying to wrap my head around that reasoning. Why does Cadillac need a mid-engined car? Are they repositioning themselves in the market for luxury mid-engined cars or something? Because they’re not really fully back in their home market yet. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, just that I don’t get the business reasoning. Also, I haven’t paid that much attention to it because rumors.

Chariotoflove > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 01/31/2018 at 15:17

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I like this. I’m using it.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Chariotoflove 01/31/2018 at 15:22

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Plot twist—Pontiac is coming back as a performance brand.

Chariotoflove > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 01/31/2018 at 15:31

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Why change now?

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Chariotoflove 01/31/2018 at 15:33

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I just think they’re better positioned to sell a $150k plus car. Also, they technically already have a successful mid engine racer

gettingoldercarguy > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 01/31/2018 at 15:35

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Dear God, I just read that article and Jonny is ridiculous. Yeah the chassis is better but him making the claim the pilot sport 4s and Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3 are in the same class is just stupid. It feels like they’re trying to help out Chevrolet’s sales. The regular SS would’ve been a better match performance wise. They said they couldn’t get a performance pack 2, but didn’t mention anything about a regular SS.

Sweet Trav > Chariotoflove 01/31/2018 at 15:46

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ALL CORVETTES SINCE THE BEGINNING HAVE BEEN MID-ENGINED!

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > gettingoldercarguy 01/31/2018 at 15:57

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Speaking as someone who has tracked the Goodyears on a SS 1LE Camaro...

They are a bit disappointing. Don’t get me wrong, they took a whole day at Barber Motorsports Park, along with 9000 miles of street use, and still haven’t worn down to the cords.

But if the improvement from the Pilot Super Sports to the Pilot Sport 4S is anything to go by, the Goodyears aren’t anywhere near as capable as the Michelins.

The track wheels will be getting Pilot Sport 4Ss soon.

Chariotoflove > Sweet Trav 01/31/2018 at 16:04

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https://oppositelock.kinja.com/1822600366

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 16:04

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id still rather have the GT

Shift24 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 01/31/2018 at 16:26

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Ha at quarter the price

gettingoldercarguy > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 01/31/2018 at 16:31

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I remember reading something from a Chevy engineer saying they benchmarked the sport cups for that tire. The ats v runs super sport and the numbers support what I’m saying, ~1g. 1.12Gs lateral from pilot sport 4s would be mighty impressive. I run 265s in the Continental extreme contact sport on the track and they’re great, but I’m not kidding myself thinking I’m not missing anything without running sport cups or similar.

Shift24 > gettingoldercarguy 01/31/2018 at 16:40

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Yeah but the 1LE is already $4k cheaper than the Pack 1. How much more is the Pack 2? And are they going to be able to make up 3.3 seconds? Not with that chassis or amount of hp. Chevy has been stomping Ford in performance and affordability lately....

3.3 seconds quicker. In other words, these two cars wouldn’t be allowed to race together. Different class doesn’t cover it. The list of cars the Camaro went faster than should embarrass some OEMs: Porsche Cayman GT4, 2014 Audi R8 V10 Plus, Ferrari 458 Italia.

The Camaro is now in another class as its now fighting with supercars. Dont get me wrong, if the Mustang was not being compared to the Camaro, we would be amazed by its specs. But in the last Head 2 Head (of Camaro vs Mustang) the base Camaro SS was as fast as the holy grail GT350R. That says alot

Jayhawk Jake > gettingoldercarguy 01/31/2018 at 16:45

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That’s always been my biggest issue with “comparison tests” - make sure the cars actually compare. In the very least, put them both on the same tires. It’s not hard or expensive but can drastically affect the way they drive.

sony1492 > Chariotoflove 01/31/2018 at 16:53

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Id like it to be a Cadillac because their design language looks more mature.

This Cadillac concepts pretty old but you get the idea of what it could be. The chevy version is almost guaranteed to be overwrought (see every high performance car they make)

gettingoldercarguy > Shift24 01/31/2018 at 16:54

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I priced a similarly equipped Camaro SS at over 50k without adding in the 1le package. No silly stripes etc. I’m not arguing the Camaro isn’t better than the mustang, I’m arguing the 1le was the wrong choice against a pp1 mustang. I can’t believe they didn’t have one in their fleet unless Patrick George had been out to Cali lately.

Chariotoflove > sony1492 01/31/2018 at 17:32

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Well if they do make it, I hope it sells.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > gettingoldercarguy 01/31/2018 at 17:44

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From the paddock talk and my tire guru, word is that the Pilot Sport Cup 2s are fantastic for about 2 laps before they start getting greasy and hot. The 4S retains the longevity of the PSS with a little higher ultimate grip. Hence why that’s my next set of track tires.

The 285 front, 305 rear tires on a SS 1LE and ZL1 are fairly darn good. They are both within the noise compared with a stock ATS-V, and if you put Michelins on the Camaro, you would likely have a slight edge to the Camaro based on the tire size (although I would hold that would be very slight).

gettingoldercarguy > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 01/31/2018 at 18:11

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I’ve heard the same about pilot cups, I just don’t drive fast enough to use that level of grip in a non caged car. I’d like to see how the Goodyear’s compare to the Hankook RS4 and other extreme or whatever they’re called tires in that group. The Continentals are absolutely fantastic in the Pacific Northwest rain.

AestheticsInMotion > Jayhawk Jake 01/31/2018 at 18:57

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Thank you. I almost tore my hair out reading a front page comment thread about a Brz vs a civic Si. Some guy claiming the Si was faster around ALL tracks because of one comparison test, where the Si had 200tw tires, and the Brz had stock tires. And the Brz ran the track in the rain.

AestheticsInMotion > Chariotoflove 01/31/2018 at 19:00

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Hmm. Maybe something exciting to grab the younger folks attention, a la Nissan GT-R. Halo car so-to-speak. That said, I think Cadillac has been killing it the last... Well... Almost decade now? Wow. Times flys

(but work on that interior, guys)

Shift24 > gettingoldercarguy 01/31/2018 at 21:16

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Ok so base of both are around $44k with magnetic. But again same price now 3.3 seconds slower. Pack 2 obviously will be closer but how much more?

gettingoldercarguy > Shift24 01/31/2018 at 22:10

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The SS without the 1le package is also 3.3 seconds faster? That’s the core of my argument. The pp1 isn’t the competitor to the 1le, but they brought it along anyways. I don’t know how much faster the pp2 will be, but knowing the tire and the width, it should be seconds.

I think the Camaro is fantastic, the z28 is a great track day buy right now. I just think that comparison was disingenuous.

Chariotoflove > AestheticsInMotion 01/31/2018 at 23:19

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I sat in the CT-6 at an auto show and thought it was as nice as the S class. I know I’m in the minority though. I just hope they keep doing what they’re doing.

AestheticsInMotion > Chariotoflove 01/31/2018 at 23:23

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Really? How’d you like it overall? My most recent Cadillac experience was the CTS-V just before the current model, so my experience is somewhat dated.

Chariotoflove > AestheticsInMotion 01/31/2018 at 23:28

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Oh, it felt light years beyond the last gen CTS, no question. I didn’t get a chance to really inspect the details. I did spend 10 minutes or so feeling my way around the cabin. Then, I went right over to the S class. The Merc had quilted seats, which I think are a class touch, but I didn’t feel there was a real quality difference. I actually expected there to be based on all the articles, but really the CT6 felt top notch to my plebeian ass.

Chariotoflove > AestheticsInMotion 01/31/2018 at 23:29

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I fully plan to go drive one before Summer.

Jayhawk Jake > gettingoldercarguy 02/01/2018 at 12:20

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Ford did it to themselves though. PP1 is a decent enough package for performance, but the 1LE is more performance oriented. PP2 is closer to the 1LE package.

Looks like PP2 is priced at $6,500. I think it’s available on the base trim as well. So it’s certainly price competitive.